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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  FreemindFade -

  I think you may be taking the answer out of context. Comey was referencing if the Department of Justice could stop an investigation. He was NOT saying that Trump had never asked him to stop an investigation. Here's the transcript:

  HIRONO: So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?
  
  COMEY: In theory yes.
  
  HIRONO: Has it happened?
  
  COMEY: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something that -- without an appropriate purpose. I mean where oftentimes they give us opinions that we don't see a case there and so you ought to stop investing resources in it. But I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason, that would be a very big deal. It's not happened in my experience.
  
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  I understand that there are a lot of emotions on both sides of this issue. But perhaps we can leave personal insults and digs out of the remarks. Please remember the following general rules:

  Rule 2: When debating - don't take things personally.

  Rule 3: When debating - don't make things personal

  . . .

  Rule 1: Be aware you will almost always break rules 2 and 3.
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  134

  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  Comey said under oath that Trump did not ask him to halt any investigation - 5/8/17
  -FMF

  
  Can you provide the quote please?

  Thanks
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  I'm not sure why you're using the "I" word as it's not an issue I raised. But no worries, allow me to be specific in my questions. And I hope you'll be specific in your answers.

  Do you think it's okay for the White House to lie about why Comey was fired saying it was because of the investigation of Hillary?

  Do you think it's okay for Trump to fire Comey because of the Russian investigation as he stated in his interview with Lester Holt?

  Do you think it's okay for Trump to give Code Word secretes to a hostile country?

  Do you think it's okay for Trump to jeopardize our intelligence relationships with Israel and potentially other allies?

  Do you think it's okay for Trump to ask the Director of the FBI to end an investigation into his former National Security Director?

  PS: "Okay" means ethically or instrumentally acceptable.
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  I'm not really sure what you're referring to.
  

  But - for the simplicity of our discussion - let's assume that Obama did give away secrets. Let's assume because of it he got lot's and lot's of people killed. Let's assume that Obama was absolutely the most reckless, horrible, malicious, traitorous person to ever hold office . . .

  Do you think that in anyway makes Trump's actions okay?

  Surely you can think that Obama was a bad President and simultaneously be alarmed by what Trump has been up to. These are not mutually exclusive beliefs.
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  Yup, absolutely no evidence of collusion . . . General Flynn and Paul Manafort under investigation and having their records subpoenaed has nothing to do with this.

  Jeff Sessions being forced to recuse himself doesn't mean anything. Nor does Trump trying over and over again to get the Russian investigation shut down have anything to do with anything.

  And Trump handing Israel's State Secretes over to the Russians on a silver platter? . . . pure coincidence.

  That's right everybody. No evidence of collusion. Please move along.
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  Trump is worse than both Snowden and Manning. Trump gave code word information personally and intentionally to a hostile force who has been fighting against our efforts in Syria and the Ukraine.

  One has to ask, after the Russian's brazenly attacked the US last year, what were they doing in the White House in the first place???

  
  
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

  1. social
  2. current

  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  I don't think he'll be impeached because that would take a republican party with some principles and backbone, but neither do I believe that he won't commit any crimes worthy of impeachment.
  

  Looks like you were right, at least on the second point, Simon.
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  Obstruction of Justice: 18 U.S. Code § 1503

  
  

  (a)

  Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, endeavors to influence, intimidate, or impede any grand or petit juror, or officer in or of any court of the United States, or officer who may be serving at any examination or other proceeding before any United States magistrate judge or other committing magistrate, in the discharge of his duty, or injures any such grand or petit juror in his person or property on account of any verdict or indictment assented to by him, or on account of his being or having been such juror, or injures any such officer, magistrate judge, or other committing magistrate in his person or property on account of the performance of his official duties, or corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b). If the offense under this section occurs in connection with a trial of a criminal case, and the act in violation of this section involves the threat of physical force or physical force, the maximum term of imprisonment which may be imposed for the offense shall be the higher of that otherwise provided by law or the maximum term that could have been imposed for any offense charged in such case.

  
  
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

  1. social
  2. current

  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  Is this considered obstruction of justice?